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Comment from Nohkhopao Touthang
Time: February 16, 2010, 7:05 pm

Try to include half of the southern part of Senapati District known as Sadar Hills which is purely inhabited by the Kukis, 1/4 of Ukhrul District which is also in the southern part of the district and some parts of Tmaenglong district.

Comment from Beita Jr.
Time: February 16, 2010, 9:51 pm

Hi Nohkhopao Touthang, thanks for the input; we will update the map very soon for better presentation.

Comment from martin
Time: February 17, 2010, 3:24 pm

Hi…

The elders(most) in Thado (kuki) the only thing they are capable of is ” exterminating their own population and giving a hard time to other Zo families and blaming on other people for their own ” Brainless Savage Suicidal meaningless Brainwash ” activities or dreams.

thanks
martin

Comment from mangboi
Time: April 6, 2010, 12:42 am

dear mr.. martin….will u pls clearified regarding ur comments which u post on 17 feb…as per knowledge there is no tribe and ethnic name called ‘ZO’..or zou its just a name of a small clan in south east part of manipur…n lastly if u wish something first n foremost u have to do brainwash of ur own …do forget that…keeping ur name as martin will not change ur culture….u r a thingtang mi n will remin as thingtang miiii……………..thanks doungel

Comment from Hegin Singson
Time: April 8, 2010, 2:55 pm

We a thadou Kuki has come to ignite our hearts and mind. i am so thankful to those who are taking initiative inorder to get Kukiland may the good God give all of you His wisdom and knowledge. i request all the kuki should have fast and pray for our leaders who are taking their time to talk to the Government. all the leader i have requested not to give up surelly God will give, He nevers forsack His children cry. know that you all the leaders are in our prayer. Chung pathen in phatthei eiboh tau hen kuki chate. Thank you.

Comment from confusion
Time: May 15, 2010, 10:28 am

does the kukis demand kukiland or churachandpur. KRF comprise of 5-10 cadres …hehehe….not even a malcha me kham

Comment from doubleconfusion
Time: May 28, 2010, 8:15 am

I’m double confused…
While the Kuki has more than 15 UGs groups for its own, if ever the government of India created the Kukiland as the Map shown, the present Manipur state would become “War Zone” which already is anyways…

Comment from martin
Time: May 28, 2010, 5:26 pm

Hi thado bros..

i hope u guys find peace and unity in thado family and with other ZO families.
peace be with u guys

thanks
martin

Comment from doungel
Time: June 17, 2010, 9:38 pm

as we see, khasi is a tribe in north east india. infact khasi has differnt clans i.e bhoi, maram,jaintia etc.with different dialect.as far as i know there languages are not similiar but called themselves as khasi. like wise, i would say Paite, zou, thado etc are clan only and vaiphei,gante,doungel are like tittle or surname as we call it. compare to other tribe our languages have no differences. why can’t we called ourselves ‘Kuki’as our tribe and stand united. infact, i have many khasi, naga, and other friends, they told me khasi or naga does’nt make any sence to them and have no meaning but to be able to stand together they have to call themselves as naga or khasi. so for us too form our ancestor we have been calling our sellves as kuki. i know that kuki has no meaning but to be able to stand together we must take one name i,e ‘kuki’.and if by chance people ask which tribe you belong to? are you shy to say as ‘Kuki’or may be zou-kuki, or thado-kuki or paite-kuki then once we get the land things can be settle by ourselves.

Comment from Doungel
Time: June 17, 2010, 9:53 pm

in nagaland they call themselves as ‘Kuki’, in assam as ‘Kuki’, in Tripura as Kuki, Burma as Kuki, why not in Manipur. i know its hard but we can try. as the saying, Try and Try again unless you suceed. Zoland would mean only zo tribe, etc while Kuki does not have any meaning so all of us can come to this tribe. otherwise if one would say i belong to zou tribe, paite tribe, haokip tribe, gante tribe etc. what will be our future? our children future. we are nation i.e ‘Kuki nation’. we can achieved this only if we stand together. ‘together we stand,divided we fall’. even our U.Gs must stand united if they want to achieved ‘Kukiland’. it is not something in the air but make it a reality. and we the Kukies must do only the will of God. God bless ‘Kukiland’.

Comment from martin
Time: June 18, 2010, 9:51 am

Dear Doungel,

Nice to know about ur vision of United. But again all ZO famlies have moved forward decades ago with Mizo/Zomi. We don’t want to move backwards when we have already moved forward in vision of Equality, Unity and Truth.

Thado family has always been invited to join the rest of the Zo families and given its signifance status it will help our ZO national more united and therefore more close in achieving our Goal of independent administration. Things cannot be Done by one family alone….history is there to learn from lessons.

It is needless to explain ” Kuki ” is was, now, will never be Acceptable for ALL the Zo families. We are Proud people with our own Native Name. Not Kawlte but BAMA!!!, not Kuki or Chin But ZO Zomi/Mizo!!!!. We don’t need to concern about Khasi or Naga or anyother else but our own needs.

It is needless to explain again why Zo is the Closest Common Root. from the plains A-SHO (ZO), close to southern borders of chin State Cho (ZO), going up north YO/ZO/ZOU (ZO), down south to rakhine Mro/Masho (ZO). From Zotlang, Zokhua, Zophei, Zotung, Zophong, Bawmzo, Mizo, Zomi, Zou, Zomual, Yaw, Cho, Mro, a SHO. Its just a slight variation caused by unacessible rugged mountains dat our people live. Only two kinds of people here, one who loves true identity with pure heart and keeps it and another who ignores knowing.

Even a slight of difference dialect or customs has the right to be different familiy if they wished to. So, baite, simte, siyin, it doesn’t matter their small numbers, they are distinct family but same ZO families. Thado was and is and will always be known as one family.

With love for unity, ur not far from it. Let, truth sets you free.

thanks
martin

Comment from doungel
Time: June 27, 2010, 10:53 pm

dear,martin
thanks for the comment. exactly what you said is true. you don’t need to move backward but think how many people in india knows you as zo. if you come to assam, or any else in india you will feel out of place. people knows us as ‘Kuki’ or as kuki war of independent not as zo war of independent or mizo war. likewise outside manipur people only know as naga and kuki, meitei in manipur. how many zo people are really in manipur. if you say in burma, people will tell you go back to burma, will you feel okay? or don’t you know you are forgotten by the lushai,(mixo). i wander have you been to mizoram. Lai and Mara wants to seperate from mizoram.you think you will be accepted in mizoram.past is past and that was becoz of misuderstanding among brothers and sisters.i felt that was your mistake, you should have help each other, likewise in haflong, hmar and dimasa conflict, infact We were helping our hmar brothers.
it is not a concern for khasi or naga, you have misinterprete my comment. with having differnt clans differnt dialect like us.keeping their own identity they called themselves as naga or khasi. why not we as ‘Kuki’with having strong history.
i am very sad to read your comment. let us put aside our narrow mind and strive towards broad minded. do not say as only thado, zo but say as thado-kuki, zo-kuki etc keeping our own identity too.
infact as you say, for zo ‘kuki’ was once upon a time but not now. please do think over it before it is too late.

Comment from Martin
Time: June 29, 2010, 9:33 am

Dear Dougel,

It has been so crystal clear to read ur comment and thz for just being honest. I can see there is no hope for thado family with people like you, just trying to be honest here.

First of all, Chin( Lai,Hakha) and Kuki (thado) are so concerned/obsessed/maipulated/ arrogant/ignorant with ” WHAT OTHER PEOPLE CALL US ” rather than what we called our selves. Should we be more concern about what our fathers called ourselves or what the neighbours (more or less were enemies) likes to DENOTE or ASHAME us ? 4 me answer is simply as crystal clear, ur fathers and our fathers never called themselves Kuki or Chin, So “CASE is CLOSED”n 4 ever. Then what we called ourselves? there are two kind.And i have already explained it in the first comment so i won’t do that again.
Personally i don’t agree with Majoirty of Zos didn’t help the other Zos like hmar and thado. But just look at the history carefully and not try to curve it around. In a family there are some brothers that always cause trouble in the family and to others, with out any good ground reasons, when time comes for them to reap what they sow, they blame the other brothers for not helping them. Actually it was them the bad brothers who caused trouble to everyone and they themslves are the one who blames others. History is there to learn from mistakes and correct them not to turn a blind eye and keep walking straight to the cliff. History do repeat itself. learn from mistakes. it takes more courage and bravenesss to accept mistake and rather beinga coward.

Narrow minded? again, history is there. read ur history carefully. don’t do the same mistakes again. You will never acheive anything with Kuki dear brother. Past, Present, Future is there to tell you that. Normal Thado brothers needs leaders or elders that are brave enough or willing enough or smart enough or atleast thinks about their own family and start changing from their path of destrution.

It would be very great if there was one elder in Thado family who has the wisdom and courage to say ..Enough is Enough…let us turn back from the path of destrution and walk on the road of unity, equality and prosperity with the National Name ZO which our ancestors called themslves long ago.

anyway, wish the best for my thado brothers, whos elders have decided to go straight to the cliff, just because they can’t take TRUTH.

thanks
martin

Comment from doungeljames
Time: July 4, 2010, 2:03 pm

Dear Martin.
thanks for the comment. you see, you are not understanding what i am saying. you are twisting the real ‘Truth’. For God sake do not explain to others, otherwise they will be making the same mistake like you. I said Lai and Mara and not Hakha becoz, Lai and Mara have District in Mizoram. i wander you have been to Mizoram or not, other wise you will not understand what i am saying.
another thing is that what people called us is important generally and not in particular. infact in general people know us as Kuki and not as Zo becoz Zo is only a handful of Clan while Kuki is Known by all the people as a Major tribe in North east.what is important is that whether you like it or not keep as Kuki and once you get the land why don’t we solve this problem. i wander what makes you perplexed about to be as kUKI.
past or present we never called ourselves as Zo, hardly people know about zo, what we know is Chines zhou exist. what we know is zo is one of the clans of the Kuki tribe.
our ancestor never fight under the name as ZO, Instead it is name as Kuki war of Independence.
exactly you turn a deaf year to your Thados brothers, when they came to seek help as were brutally murdered by
Nscn.instead of reconciliation you help the Paites. what i do know is that cleaverly zo national assembly was formed. and so i suppossed by changing your name as Martin, you cannot change your Tribe name. you will be always as Tingting or any Zo name and not as Martin.
you claim yourselves as Majority, infact only a handful of Zo are found in in Churachandpur, l.
finally, i am mentioning again and again, please do not be shy to call your selves as Kuki. thado is not only Kuki. infact, in tripura too if Darlawn can call themselves as Kuki why not Zo, Hmar, Paite, Thado etc. to formed the larger ‘Kuki nation’
This is the Truth and once you accept this fact everything will be clear to you. read more books, and if you are from Churachanpur, try to come out and see the beautiful world around us. kindly do not be like a frog in a well.

Comment from martin
Time: July 5, 2010, 9:17 am

Dear buddy,

can’t belive u like the name imposed by people that are doing a good job killing you guys.Contradictions Contradictions….Thado elders…

u sound like a kid that has no father….nor a name…xo neighbors call you TRASH….xo Trash u are :)

take care buddy be a proud Trash

for us, we had fathers who gave us real names and we keep it..fuck the neigbours..fuck them all……………..

thanks
martin

Comment from Doungel
Time: July 6, 2010, 4:16 pm

Dear Martin,
thanks for the comments.
Truth is Truth, and its hard to bear them. and i think if you had father you would not have used such a slang language. its good to be patient. hence we come to know you as a trouble maker and not as peace-maker.
anyway if you can solve these question, i also would like to become zo like you, otherwise be a kuki like me.
1. did our fore-fathers fight together (if yes) under which war of independence? Mizo, Kuki or zo?
2. what do you think, is zo a tribe or a clan?
3. zo and Paite are the elder brother of Doungel, touthang etc. yes or no? why makes you so adamant about Kuki? forget the past and try to live in the present .
i know that Kuki does not have any meaning, however as i said like Khasi, naga too has no meaning but they are one. in the same way only the name Kuki can unite all of us. than once we get the land. we can solve by ourselves. so ‘united we stand, divided we fall’.
martin we need a person like you, who can bring our people united. we need a leader like you. do not say as thado, zo etc but as Kuki. if becoz of the past than try to forgive one another.
Anyway, try think over it seriously about it.

Thanks
always Kuki

Comment from Hao lhungdim
Time: August 1, 2010, 3:26 pm

I read the conversation between doungel and martin, which was very enlightening about our past. I really appreciate a people like doungel and my prayer to God will be “praying for millions of people like doungel among the kukis”.And doungel for your convienence i would like to inform u that in ccpur most of the kuki tribes excluding thadou speaking group called themself “Zo” which mean. thinglhang mi. They are namely paite,simte,vaiphei,chi-n, zou etc.”zo” and “zou” is different,”zomi” is where all the about tribe unified as.i think mr.Martin is one of the person who consider himself “zomi”. I hope u will contineu to spread the your ideas among our brothers.. Thankyou! Tahchapa!

Comment from Hao lhungdim
Time: August 1, 2010, 9:46 pm

This is refering to martin articles: dear martin u should know that lamka ends at lamka only. You are not even eligble for giving such comment bcos u don’t really knw what is history. Its nt about insulting u bt enlightening u about the history of ours and manipur,do survey on manipur and start giving comment on any kind of site ;until than u r nt eligible for giving such comment. You should remember that knowing english doesn’t mean u knw history, history are past and u can not modify them as u wish. Cross lamka and face any trouble then u will knw who kuki are and who are.knw that u are like a rat in its hole. The world is very big brother..

Comment from Hao lhungdim
Time: August 1, 2010, 10:18 pm

I am bored of this “zomi” which is baseless. But i hope one day they understand what is zomi and its meaning.But they should be given more time to understand what is history. I am sorry for any mistake in the above comments which i wrote it very fast and could able to edit it. The so called “zomi” should knw that their history is incomplete without the so called “kuki” which is their lost identity.

Comment from mang
Time: August 5, 2010, 12:08 pm

Katahsan he -e, eiho kiki that toto jega hi.

Comment from Nohkhopao Touthang
Time: August 18, 2010, 2:46 pm

Martin’s assertion of “achieving our Goal of independent administration” is a utopian idea now as seen in the Mizo Movement and even the Naga independent movement is heading for that. The independent Mizoram movement did not even include the NC Hills of Assam and Southern Manipur at the end, even though the Kukis under Pu Demkhoseh Gangte participate in the Mizo National Front. The so called “Zo”s/Paites resisted it…is that what we called the ZO movement. The Paites resisted the Mizo movement and when the Zous started the Zomi movement when the Kukis even in Sadar Hills supported in the early 1990s, the Paites resisted it again…but now they become the champion of the ZO movement in Manipur.

Its now better to call ourselves “Mizo” in Mizoram, “Chin/Zomi” in Chin Hills and Kuki in Manipur, Nagaland, Assam and Tripura.

Comment from Nohkhopao Touthang
Time: August 18, 2010, 3:03 pm

Even a Zo proponent like Dr.Pum Khan Pau, who did a historical research on the so called ZOs has to named them as Chins. “The Chins and the British, 1835-1948″ submitted to Department of History, Northeastern Hill UNiversity.

For Details:
http://vaphual.net/ka-laisimna-lampi-by-dr-pum-khan-pau/